This morning, when I was in a meeting, a person I can’t describe with any other term but ‘Muppet’ calls me up from HSBC’s credit card sales department. Using a masked caller ID which prevents me from identifying the caller’s number, I have to answer.
Having excused myself from the meeting, he hits me with his first question is: “are you currently a HSBC card member?” The person interrupting me at work from HSBC doesn’t know because he hasn’t bothered checking, or he can’t access the database at his bank that would give him this information. But I couldn’t care less as to why he didn’t know. It didn’t matter. I was already potently irritated with his organisation’s ignorance. I even remember thinking that this Muppet I had on the line had to be a conman of some kind. You know the kind who doesn’t work in a bank. The whole experience was just so unprofessional, so unbanklike. Well, that’s actually a fantastic thing normally, but it wasn’t in this instance.
When I politely told him that I, using bank speak, was a ‘member’ of the bank and wondered why he didn’t know this, he ducked the question and went on to deliver a well-rehearsed piece on this referral program HSBC was running. It works like this, he told me. For every personal referral that leads to a new card customer for the bank, you can get $20 in return. Twenty dollars!
So, can you give me the contact details to five people on your mobile phone, he asks me.
No, I can’t, I reply.
And I continue to tell him that he’s just disturbed me in an important meeting, expecting me to help him do his job at the expense of my friends’ time and irritation for twenty dollars. I ask him if he has any idea what this ‘sales program’ does to the reputation of his organization. All I get is silence from the other end. Then ‘click’.
I think this little experience of mine points to a number of perennial problems that are holding brands back:
1. Short-term financial goals and performance evaluations [commercial reality] often have a devastating effect on long-term brand building goals.
2. Compartmentalised structure/thinking in companies leads to fragmented brand behaviour in the marketplace. Every department has its own set of KPIs, which are rarely aligned with a brand vision in any way.
3. The lack of understanding about fundamental human nature and organizations ability to ‘empathise’ is severely lacking in most places.
Everyone who deals with brands in one way or another are aware of these issues and yet so little is done to resolve them. With the risk of sounding cynical [which is a virtue for some of my friends], I don’t believe there are any long-term solutions other than having a visionary leader at the very top; a CEO who understands people and gets brands. Brands who get it right, such as Tesco, Ikea and Virgin all have leaders who build their businesses based on their empathy and understanding of people and what they want/need. Every CEO talks about how important this is, but few do anything about it. Not because they don’t want to, but because they don’t know how to.
Tesco’s senior management make a point about it by spending at least two weeks a year stacking shelves in their supermarkets, talking to customers. IKEA’s Kamprad is a genius when it comes to understanding people’s ‘living needs’ by traveling around the world, talking to people, visiting them in their homes. Branson has built Virgin and expanded into new categories by figuring out what people are unhappy with, what they hate about the category in hand. His strategy is then focused on addressing these problems directly with his product/brand. Brilliant simplicity!
HSBC clearly has no clue about what I’m talking about.


January 23, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Dreadful ignorance – surely their systems would tell them that you are a loner! But seriously Fred – good post – I suggest you hyperlink hsbc.com or whatever and see if they are monitoring for feedback.
January 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Good idea John.
http://www.hsbc.com.sg
http://www.hsbc.com
January 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM
i’ll happily join the HSBCHC (HSBC Hate Crew). When i was in london, i had to pay rent into an HSBC account and, not being a customer, had to go into their branches once a month. oh my god, what a disaster they were! the service was crap, long queues, bad lighting, difficult security measures. do they really want anyone to bank with them?
January 25, 2008 at 2:04 AM
Lauren, I’ve experienced exactly the same thing with rent payments in the past here in Singapore. It drove me mad. My landlord was banking with HSBC and I couldn’t pay online from my bank so had to go to a branch. [He was living overseas so cheque payment was impractical] A real nightmare. But I can’t recall that the lighting was particularly bad
I love that observation!
January 26, 2008 at 1:35 AM
First of all, a huge congrats on finally writing a blog post again [ha, did Monday night drinks shame you into it?] … and secondly, congrats on writing such a great post.
This whole ‘buy and bribe’ attitude that banks have – especially in Asia – is not only affecting how people see their brand, but how people see financial services in general.
People used to believe the law industry was founded on the values of honour and justice – but now, the general consensus is their task is to delay resolution or to only find justice for the highest bidder – and this absolute opinion turn-around is happening [if not happened already] to the banking industry.
You are absolutely right when you say alot of this has been caused by companies focusing on short term goals – but as I’ve said countless times, can you blame them when shareholders [including the average person on the street] demand higher and higher returns for their investment?
I’m not defending them – I’m just saying the cause is more than just the board directors fault.
My suggestion – which is something I put to SONY just yesterday – is that companies pay substantial bonuses to divisions who make their financial targets but stay within their brands core idea. I’m not saying it would be easy – but companies should not just disregard this because in a World of parity, the power of an active brand will play a disproportionate amount of influence on consumer decisions.
And what do I mean about an active brand?
Someone – like Virgin – who finds out what people don’t like and improves it rather than just playing ‘follow the leader’ and/or working only in their self interests and not even going to too much effort to hiding it.
[Bank of America became an active brand and not only did it fundamentally differentiate them from the competition, but it encouraged millions of customers to actually join them. Read about it here ...
http://robcampbell.wordpress.com/2006/07/06/big-ideas-are-everywhere/
I hate banks ... I hate when they charge me for accessing my money ... I hate when they charge me for depositing my money and I hate when they ring me up and try and flog me something I don't want or need and then insinuate I'm an idiot for saying NO to them and will only forgive me if I suggest some 'alternative names' for them to hassle.
Well they can fuck off ... because I don't respond well to threats or ambulance chasing strategies.
I actually said a few years ago that if I was to start a new company, I'd like to start a bank because the situation is now so bad all over the World, that by just including a few consumer-focused benefits, you could make a profitable enterprise without too much effort. They're doing it in Oz with Bendigo Bank [a bank partly owned and jointly run by the community it serves] and I expect to see more of it in the future.
Banking was about building futures for individuals, families and communities, not it’s just about building the companies own profits and in a year where global investments experienced huge losses, it makes me sick that banks paid it’s employees the highest level of bonuses ever in history.
Funnily enough, we’ve just won some bank business and we won it by saying the things that appear on this blog … with abit of luck [and time] I’ll be able to make the next post Fred does on this subject a positive one. Don’t hold your breath – but we’ll give it a go
January 28, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Thanks for that long comment Rob. You make some great points in it. The performance assessment idea that you mention is something that companies are going to have to start moving towards in order not to turn their brands into indistinguishable cucumber sandwiches.
Let me know if you decide to open a bank so I can be the first one in line to open an account.
January 28, 2008 at 7:23 AM
Well you can give me $1000 to open an account now if you want
January 28, 2008 at 9:51 AM
At what rate?
January 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM
It sounds to me that the Muppet was an outsourced Muppet. I have a similar tale of woe from Deutsche Telekom.
January 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Banks don’t give interest Fred – that would be beneficial to the consumer and they don’t do that.
Jeez, you Swedes are never satisfied …
January 29, 2008 at 3:57 AM
Yes, I suspect you could be right about that Marcus. Outsourcing = brand control compromise.
Rob, but I thought you wanted to be a different bank!? Even if it’s the only ‘customer focused benefit’ you would offer in your bank, it would be the one I would be the most interested in.
January 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM
There isn’t a bank in this world that doesn’t claim to be service-minded. Yet, all banks are vanilla, boring and uninteresting. Why? Because their sole purpose is to make their stack of money (our savings) grow. Everything else is a waste of resources, including brand building or providing service for customer. There in lies the dilemma: you as a customer can’t really switch to a bank, because all banks are the same. If you stick with your bank, there’s really no incentive for your bank or any other bank to differentiate itself. Sad but that’s the economics of banking. Doing nothing is financially a pretty good strategy.
January 30, 2008 at 3:58 AM
The sad part is that in many cases, small-time bank customers offer no real investment value to the financial institutions so they don’t really care about whether they’re happy or not.
Saying that, I don’t totally agree with your statement Leon.
Sure many banks are the same which is why many people stick with what they’ve got – and NONE offer good service despite spending billions claiming they do – however there are some organisations who realise this is an opportunity for growth which is why they are developing programs that offer real consumer value for the everyday bank user.
Suddenly these banks are aquiring more customers than they lose and this is turning the focus of the organisation into one that is more ‘little man friendly’.
I’m not claiming it’s perfect – and hell, there’s alot more they can do – but without doubt Bendigo, Egg – and to to a degree – Westpac and BOA are making things better … but compared to how banking used to be regarded, they are still miles away.
And Fred, if I was going to really start a bank, the first thing I’d do is allow ATM’s to dispense smaller notes because when I worked on Egg, I found out that many people only have approx 5-10 pounds [sterling] in their account before pay day so they either have to go overdrawn [so they can buy lunch] or go hungry.
Little thing – but it would be a start.
February 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Time for a new post please